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Ramesh Balam

Ramesh Balam — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Islam is an intolerant religion. It can not co-exist with any other religion.

You have not quoted any new instance to buttress your point. Your article is a fit material for trash alongwith such other articles by Muslim writers singing glory of Islam.

Marco Villa

Marco Villa — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

This is so hilarious. It has almost become a regular laugh for me. Hindu extremists who cannot stand Muslims or Christians in their country are going around pretending that they are the bastions of tolerance and that everyone else, particularly Muslims, are the intolerant extremes ones. No, the question should be asked: Can some Hindus ever accept Muslims and Christians in India or will they always maintain that India should be Hindu-majority nation?

Ramesh Balam

Ramesh Balam — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Marco,

There will always be extremiats in all religions. Extremism itself means that.

Hindus have been ruled for 300 odd years by Muslim rulers and about 250 odd years by people of Christian faith. So, the question is right; but the manner in which it has been put smacks of intolerance which is not the hallmark of Hinduism.

Moreover, the writer failed to give the recent example of Iran banning conversion from Islam to any other religion which was aimed to curb the conversion activities of Christian missionaries. It is a one way process in Islam; there is no exit.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@ Marco Villa ,

What about the The Monroe Doctrine which proclaims ”America for the Americans ” considering any attempt at colonization a threat to its national security ?

It’s has been a perennial problem for the Muslims that they have failed to establish a rapport with the citizens even as they have come to establish their roots.Probably this is why wherever they are apart from the Musilm country they have always tried to extract a separate land on grounds of religion.Jinnah cashed-in-on this very tendency of Muslims ,which led to formation of Pakistan.

Marco Villa

Marco Villa — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

If you object to Indian Muslims seeking to annex majority Muslims regions, we can have a respectfully debate on that. This is not some sort of Muslim trait to seek autonomy from the ’Mother country’. For instance, look at South Ossetia or Quebec or the Basque region in Spain. Very often, people who share a common faith or ethnicity different from the rest of the people in the country and if these distinct people inhabit an area where they are a majority, a nationalism is born there that calls for a new nation-state. That is naturally and exists among many people Muslim and non-Muslims. Efforts to portray that is some sort of depravity among Muslims only is nothing more than bigotry. But I do not even agree with you that this is something bad, if Muslims do subscribe to this is nothing to be ashamed of just as the Basque should be not ashamed of their nationalism.

You misunderstand the Monroe Doctrine. The Monroe Doctrine stated that colonialism in the Americas (both North and South America) will not be tolerated and viewed as a threat to United States’ security. There is a difference between a foreign power coming in and establishing dominance of a native people, this is a far cry from a native people seeking to establish new borders in an area where they are the majority. Muslims in Indian in the Kashmir region are not engaging in colonialism, they are the native people and their actions are termed as nationalist secession.

You might think its bad, but I believe in self-determination and it does mean that people have the right through democratic efforts to convince the majority in the country to allow them to establish their own country. This is what happened with Quebec, the Canadian people voted on partition and Quebec ended up staying in Canada on a 45-55% vote. Likewise, there should be a vote on Kashmir. If you want, vote against it. Muslims in Kashmir should respect a NO vote, if such happens. Simply suggesting secession is not uncalled for.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@ Marco Villa

@ Look this debate is not about Kashmir. I have just highlighted the peculiar tendency among Muslims. Separation is no solution. Such a demand is only going to lead to anarchism because in almost all the states there is variation in population distribution by caste .According to you there should be a separate land if such a demand from any of these communities come into existence? Will such a demand be realistic and above all be at par with sovereignty of nation? I am just pointing out the fact that there are so many other minority communities living in India and they are also there in some other parts of world. Why aren’t they taking the help of bombs to force the authorities to give way to their designs?

If you have decided to settle in any country, then you should have full faith in the sovereignty and integrity of nation. The Monroe Doctrine, whatever it is, it only aims in preventing the sovereignty of nation from bitter break-ups. Muslims should learn to be faithful towards nations in which they have come to reside. It really hurts that after some time a call of separation starts making its presence felt from their side sooner or later . This should stop .That’s all.

Marco Villa

Marco Villa — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

This debate, judging by your own comments, is about Kashmir since that is where Muslims are seeking secession from India. And I do not know if you have noticed by the Basque separatists do engage in violence and so did the IRA, their reasons are identical to the Kashmir Muslims: though the Basque are different from Indian Muslims because the Basque have no state while Pakistan was craved out for Indian Muslims. But the IRA’s reasons are identical to Indian Muslims, the IRA argued that because Northern Ireland is majority Muslim is should be part of Ireland, Kashmir Muslims argue the same thing in relation of Pakistan. I agree that violence is no answer, the proper way is to engage in democratic activism. Maybe full separation is no solution, but Kashmir could be accorded some degree of autonomy (like Basque Spain). The people of Kashmir do not necessarily want to be part of Pakistan, but they want some freedom from the central Indian government.

In a free society people have the right to argue for secession, they do not have to recognize the borders of the state in which they inhabit. Muslims have been living in India for hundreds of years and have a right to put forward a vision that might be off-putting for many non-Muslim Indians. Look, this is not a unique situation. Look at Belgium, people there want secession. Look at Algeria. There are a lot of people who make up a majority in a region of a country who want secession. We should recognize this and and move on from there, we should discuss it. Maybe full secession is not the solution, be we should at least discuss some solution.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dear Marco,

Let me repeat once again that this debate is not about Kashmir nor I entered in this debate with Kashmir on mind.I am more in sync with the inability of Muslims to live in harmony with other communities wherever they are.You have not tried to understand the implications ,stated in my comment, about giving way to demands of the separatists.

Why I am avoiding Kashmir issue at this moment is that I have already answered most of the questions in this regard on Sumera’s post. BTW like to inform you that a special status already exists for Kashmir. Secondly , a free and fair elections has already taken place there under the supervision of foreign agencies . Thirdly ,Union government is already diverting huge funds to Kashmir for its all round development But if traitors there are hell bent on moving towards Pakistan or want so-called total autonomy then I must tell you in a very straight manner that these so-called total autonomy seekers need to be badly crushed .The problem with us is that we have always had weak governments at Centre ,who could not prevent themselves from being carried away by the charm of appeasement.Anyway,there is no point in heeding to the demands of separatists and so-called pseudo-intellectuals.More so when Kashmir’s presence on our side is very important from strategic point of view.

Marco Villa

Marco Villa — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Muslims live in harmony with people everywhere. In case you have not noticed, Muslims living in the West live in harmony with their non-Muslim neighbors. 10% of Egyptians are Christians and Muslims live in harmony with them. 300,000-400,000 Kuwaitis are Christians in a nation of 3.5 million persons and they live in harmony with Muslims, 10% of Jordanians are also Christian, many Palestinians as well, and so on and so forth. In every single Muslim nation, Muslims live in harmony with non-Muslims.

Your generalization and insinuations against Muslims is nothing more than bigotry underpinned by ignorance. You make a declarative statement without any evidence, this nothing more than a nice tactic to pretend as if Muslims were the problem rather than your prejudice. And in your country of India, it is Hindu extremists whom are attacking Muslims and Christians. The New York Times carried a story with this headline recently: Hindu Threat to Christians: Convert or Flee (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/world/asia/13india.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dear Marco Villa ,

Thanks from shifting from Kashmir to the so-called ability of Muslims to identify with other people.You have accused me of generalization and adopting a prejudiced views.I have already stated to Ramesh Balam ,during another discussion ,that since I often write short pieces it gives the impression that I am generalizing but that’s a case only with those people whose eyes are wide shut like yours. Anyway , I am not used to slumber of ignorance like you.I hate this type of debates because enough is enough.If some are interested in calling day to be night I feel it’s the time to let them say so .A resistance offered in name of stating truth is only going to make so-called peace-seekers like you bark like a mad dog.Ending this debate but not without giving you some facts as some like to enter in jugglery of facts.That’s the only way to avoid reality.

Lastly ,let me make it very clear to you that I am no Muslim hater but don’t ask me to ignore what’s happening around.It’s not my fault that these incidents have Muslims cajolement.And don’t worry about Hindu extremism . These incidents are far and few and limited to India only and if you are talking about Kandhamal incidents and are also referring to Gujarat riots in a subtle way please also take in account what happened before it.

Now some facts :

Russia: A Future Radical Muslim Superpower?

summary: the demographics of Russia and the rest of the European nations are clearly in favor of Muslims over native peoples - many sources now project their Islamization by mid-century - with the acquisition of WMDs from both Pakistan and Russia, the future may well be a bleak one unless the endangered countries wake up, smell the coffee, and act forcefully against their Muslim residents - with the fervor which Russans have for ‘Mother Russia’, at some point they will have to resist Muslims as hard as they battled the Germans during WWII
FrontPageMagazine.com
10/9/2008
Russia: A Future Radical Muslim Superpower?
By Jamie Glazov
Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Ilshat Alsayef, one of the founding members of Muslims Against Sharia. He was born in of the Asian republics of the former Soviet Union. A military officer for most of his adult life, Mr. Alsayef started his military career as a Second Lieutenant during the Soviet-Afghan war and retired as a Lieutenant-Colonel after the First Chechen War.
FP: Ilshat Alsayef, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Alsayef: Thank you very much for having me here.
FP: Tell us a
bout the state of radicalization of Muslims in Russia and other ex-Soviet republics.

Alsayef: There were two waves of radicalization of the ex-Soviet Muslims. The first wave started after the break-up of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s. After the fall of communism, former Soviet Asian republics, now independent countries (Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan) as well as autonomous regions of Russia (Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia), experienced a resurgence of religious freedom.

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Another gentleman writes at one place :

1) Those who warn about the threat of Islam base their concerns on what Islamists say and do, and the fact that those same Islamists draw their justification directly from the Koran and established Islamic law. When Churchill warned about Hitler, was he demonizing Germans?

2. Your sarcastically dismissive comment about all Muslims thinking the same is another ridiculous strawman. Muslims, in many ways, do think the same; they identify themselves as part of the Ummah; Islam itself has roughly a 75% agreement across all the major schools of Sunni scholarship; and the message of the Jihadists has a remarkable consistency. Just because 1,000,000,000 people don’t march in perfect cohesive lockstep does not mean they all think and behave as rational, freedom loving, open minded, peaceful world citizens.

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TAKING ON THE VEIL: WEST LOOKS TO ASSIMILATION
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From Britain to Australia, unease grows over the separateness of many of the West’s Muslim communities.
By Mark Rice-Oxley | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

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http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=23631

The Rise of Islamic Extremism in Central Asia
Former Uzbek Ambassador to Iran and Afghanistan reviews the development of Muslim groups in his region as Soviet power faded and Saudi and Iranian influence grew.
By Leslie Evans
Long-time insider in the corridors of Central Asian power, Abdusamat A. Khaydarov traced the steady march of Islamic nationalism, extremism, and terrorism in his country and its neighbors as the restraining hand of Soviet communism lost its grip on Central Asia at the and of the 1980s. Khaydarov, in the days when Uzbekistan was a Soviet republic, served in the Soviet Embassy in Afghanistan during the years that the Russian military backed a beleaguered procommunist Afghani regime. He returned to Kabul as ambassador from Uzbekistan after his own country declared its independence from Moscow in 1991. He later lived in Tehran for four years as Uzbek Ambassador to the Islamic Republic of Iran, 1996 to 1999. Ambassador Khaydarov delivered two talks while at UCLA. On April 26 he was sponsored by the Center for Near Eastern Studies and on April 28 by the Center for European and Eurasian Studies. Following is a report on his April 26 discussion.

As all the principal Central Asian states are former Soviet republics, Khaydarov pointed to Soviet repression rather than anti-Americanism as the main force prompting today’s Islamic reaction. Except for two brief periods — right after the Russian Revolution of 1917 and during World War II — the government of the USSR harshly repressed Islam within its borders. By 1985 there were only 129 official mosques in the whole of the USSR, Khaydarov said, compared to 5,000 in tiny Kazakhstan in 1999, a few years after it gained its independence.
Even before the collapse of the USSR, under Gorbachev’s liberalizing glasnost policies, Islamic political parties began to emerge in the Central Asian republics. ”The new Islamic revival began in earnest in 1991 after the fall of the Soviet Union,” Khaydarov said. In part, this was a reaction not only to the repression of religion in the Soviet period but also to elements of modernization introduced by the Russians that traditionalists sought to reject. Additionally, Khaydarov said, ”Islamic religion was the most important element of national identification” in all the countries of the Central Asian region.
Ambassador Khaydarov distinguished two streams within the Islamic revival. One is moderately radical and the other ”ultra radical.” Both agree, he said, on working to establish Islamic states under Sharia law. The former have chosen peaceful political means to accomplish this aim; the latter have turned to terrorism.
”We saw the rise of an unofficial clergy, which broke from the Hanafi school of Islam, which tolerated secularism, and they support Salafi doctrines focused on the revival of early Islamic life.” Numerous militant Islamic party-type organizations have formed over the last decade and a half. In Uzbekistan, Ambassador Khaydarov cited Tovba, Adolat, Islam lashkarlari, and Nur. In surrounding nations he listed the Movement of Islamic Revival of Tajikistan (MIRT), the Alash Party of Kazakhstan, and the Islamic Center of Kyrgyzstan. He called special attention to Hizb-ut Tahrir, a cross-border underground extremist Islamic organization that operates in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and southern Kazakhstan. Khaydarov also mentioned the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, a splitoff from the Adolat party, which he said calls for eliminating the secular state.
Causes of Islamic Religious Extremism in Central Asia
Abdusamat Khaydarov proposed a number of causes for the Islamic revival. ”It is in part a protest against communism and a response to the ideological vacuum” when communism collapsed. Economically, ”it is a response to the drop in living standards, the mass unemployment in the region, the limited possibilities for these new states to solve problems. This spurs activist, politicized Islam.”
Khaydarov also noted external influences: The 1978-89 Afghan crisis in which Islamic militants fought and ultimately defeated the pro-Soviet government, followed by years of infighting that ended with the capture of power by the Taliban in 1996, created regional Islamic networks ”linked to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.” Another influence has been heavy spending by the Saudi Arabian government and foundations to build mosques and ”support trusted groups in the region.” Finally, ”there was the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979 and the formation there of a theocratic government.” The Saudis, he said, ”propagandized their version of Islam in rivalry with the Iranian one.”
The end of regional isolation of the Soviet period opened Central Asia to world influences of many kinds. ”There was now more contact between the region and foreign countries, particularly Muslim ones. This was one aspect of globalization. It also integrated Central Asian Islam into world Islam.”
In Tajikistan, there was a civil war between the pro-Russian government and armed Muslim rebels who sought to create an Islamic state. It lasted from 1992 to a formal cease-fire in 1996, drifting into 1997. Khaydarov commented that while this was the bloodiest clash between Islamic extremists and an established government in the region — more than 100,000 people were killed — that the Islamic Renaissance Party, the main leader of the Islamist fighters, joined the government in 1997 in an uneasy power-sharing arrangement that has been relatively peaceful.
Khaydarov also cited ”a terrorist attack in Tashkent in 1999 in which there was an attempt to kill the president of Uzbekistan.”
Regional Cooperation against Islamic Radicalism
The ambassador said that the principal efforts to combat Islamic extremism and terrorism have been through various multilateral regional organizations. First among these is the Central Asian Cooperation Organization (CACO), established in 1996. ”This began as an economic cooperation. After 9/11 2001 it took on more of a security role.” The four members are Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Kazakhstan. Russia joined CACO in October 2004.
Successful economic development will be essential to weaken the appeal of religious extremism, Khaydarov said. ”Currently there are no programs for fighting poverty and unemployment. There is a sense of futility that leads to turning to religious ideology. The Central Asian states must integrate into the world community.” Teachers in Uzbekistan, he said, make $12 a month. ”Religious groups pay new members often as much as $200, mainly with funding from Saudi Arabia. The Saudis also build many mosques.”
A major difficulty in getting serious reforms, Khaydarov said, is that the governments of the region still are marked by considerable continuity from the communist period. ”There is a lack of freedom. The lack of democratization in these countries makes for a lot of difficulties.” He did note, somewhat surprisingly, that the Iranian government ”played a positive role in persuading the Tajikistan Islamists to sign the peace agreement” that concluded the civil war in that country.
Attitudes toward the United States
All the Central Asian states, Abdusamat Khaydarov said, supported the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan following 9/11 2001. ”They regarded the American operation as a factor for stability in the region.” This positive assessment deteriorated considerably after the American invasion of Iraq and a growing perception ”that the U.S. and the West is becoming involved in the politics of Central Asia.” Still, he added, that did not mean the governments of Central Asia want the U.S. to pull out of the region. They are equally afraid of unfettered influence of their other two big neighbors, China and Russia.
”We need external powers to maintain stability of the region, but don’t want one dominant power, either the United States, China or Russia.”
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Dr. Khaydarov is fluent in Persian, Dari, Farsi, Russian, and English and currently teaches international relations at the Tashkent State Institute of Oriental Studies. This year he is a Fulbright scholar in the United States at the University of Georgia.
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ABOUT FRENCH RIOTS IN 2005

Main article: Timeline of the 2005 French civil unrest
While unrest had been building among the juvenile population in France, action was not taken until the reopening of schools in Autumn, since most of the French population is on vacation during the late summer months. However, riots began on Thursday 27 October 2005, triggered by the deaths of two teenagers in Clichy-sous-Bois, a poor commune in an eastern banlieue (suburb) of Paris. Initially confined to the Paris area, the unrest subsequently spread to other areas of the Île-de-France région, and spread through the outskirts of France’s urban areas, also affecting some rural areas. After 3 November it spread to other cities in France, affecting all 15 of the large aires urbaines in the country. Thousands of vehicles were burned, and at least one person was killed by the rioters. Close to 2900 rioters were arrested.
On 8 November, President Jacques Chirac declared a state of emergency effective at midnight. Despite the new regulations, riots continued, though on a reduced scale, the following two nights, and again worsened the third night. On 9 November and the morning of 10 November a school was burned in Belfort, and there was violence in Toulouse, Lille, Strasbourg, Marseille, and Lyon.
On 10 November and the morning of 11 November, violence increased overnight in the Paris region, and there were still a number of police wounded across the country.[4] According to the Interior Minister, violence, arson, and attacks on police worsened on the 11th and morning of the 12th, and there were further attacks on power stations, causing a blackout in the northern part of Amiens.
Rioting took place in the city center of Lyon on Saturday, 12 November, as young people attacked cars and threw rocks at riot police who responded with tear gas. Also that night, a nursery school was torched in the southern town of Carpentras.[5]
On the night of the 14th and the morning of the 15th, 215 vehicles were burned across France and 71 people were arrested. Thirteen vehicles were torched in central Paris, compared to only one the night before. In the suburbs of Paris, firebombs were thrown at the treasury in Bobigny and at an electrical transformer in Clichy-sous-Bois, the neighborhood where the disturbances started. A daycare centre in Cambrai and a tourist agency in Fontenay-sous-Bois were also attacked. Eighteen buses were damaged by arson at a depot in Saint-Etienne. The mosque in Saint-Chamond was hit by three firebombs, which did little damage.

The burnt car of a worker, in Paris’ suburbs
Only 163 vehicles went up in flames on the 20th night of unrest, 15 November to 16, leading the French government to claim that the country was returning to an ”almost normal situation”. During the night’s events, a Roman Catholic church was burned and a vehicle was rammed into an unoccupied police station in Romans-sur-Isère. In other incidents, a police officer was injured while making an arrest after youths threw bottles of acid at the town hall in Pont-l’Évêque, and a junior high school in Grenoble was set on fire. Fifty arrests were carried out across the country.[6]
On 16 November, the French parliament approved a three-month extension of the state of emergency (which ended on the 4 January 2006) aimed at curbing riots by urban youths. The Senate on Wednesday passed the extension - a day after a similar vote in the lower house. The laws allow local authorities to impose curfews, conduct house-to-house searches and ban public gatherings. The lower house passed them by a 346-148 majority, and the Senate by 202-125.[7]
A wine festival in Grenoble, Le Beaujolais nouveau, ended in rioting on the night of 18 November, with a crowd throwing rocks and bottles at riot police. Tear gas was deployed by officers. Sixteen youths and 17 police officers were injured. Though those events might have been easily linked with the riots in Paris suburbs, it appears they differ completely in nature and might just well be considered as predictable ”wine festival” casualties, caused by misunderstanding and alcohol.
[edit] Triggering event

Areas of Rioting in the Paris region as of 4 November
Citing two police investigations, The New York Times reported that the incident began at 17:20 on Thursday, 27 October 2005 in Clichy-sous-Bois when police were called to a construction site to investigate a possible break-in. Three teenagers, thinking they were being chased by the police, climbed a wall to hide in a power substation. Six youths were detained by 17:50. During questioning at the police station in Livry-Gargan at 18:12, blackouts occurred at the station and in nearby areas. These were caused, police say, by the electrocution of two boys, Zyed Benna and Bouna Traoré; a third boy suffered electric shock injury from the power substation they were hiding in.[8]
”According to statements by Mr. Altun, who remains hospitalized with injuries, a group of ten or so friends had been playing football on a nearby field and were returning home when they saw the police patrol. They all fled in different directions to avoid the lengthy questioning that youths in the housing projects say they often face from the police. They say they are required to present identity papers and can be held as long as four hours at the police station, and sometimes their parents must come before the police will release them.” - NY Times[9]
There is controversy over whether the teens were actually being chased. The local prosecutor, François Molins, said that although they believed so, the police were actually after other suspects attempting to avoid an identity check.[10] Molins and Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy maintained that the dead teenagers had not been ”physically pursued” by the police. This is disputed by some: The Australian reports, ”Despite denials by police officials and Sarkozy and de Villepin, friends of the boys said they were being pursued by police after a false accusation of burglary and that they ”feared interrogation”.
This event ignited pre-existing tensions. Protesters told The Associated Press the unrest was an expression of frustration with high unemployment and police harassment and brutality. ”People are joining together to say we’ve had enough,” said one protester. ”We live in ghettos. Everyone lives in fear.”[11] The rioters’ suburbs are also home to a large, mostly North African, immigrant population, allegedly adding religious tensions, which some right-wing commentators believed contribute further to such frustrations. However, according to Pascal Mailhos, head of the Renseignements Généraux (French intelligence agency) radical islamism had no influence over the 2005 civil unrest in France.[12]
[edit] Context
Main article: Social situation in the French suburbs
Commenting other demonstrations in Paris a few months later, the BBC summarized reasons behind the events included youth unemployment and lack of opportunities in France’s poorest communities.[13]
The head of the Direction centrale des renseignements généraux found no Islamic factor in the riots, while the New York Times reported on November 5, 2005 that ”majority of the youths committing the acts are Muslim, and of African or North African origin” local youths adding that ”second-generation Portuguese immigrants and even many children of native French have also taken part.”[14]
The BBC reported that French society’s negative perceptions of Islam and social discrimination of immigrants had alienated some French Muslims and may have been a factor in the causes of the riots; ”Islam is seen as the biggest challenge to the country’s secular model in the past 100 years”.[15] It reported that there was a ”huge well of fury and resentment among the children of North African and African immigrants in the suburbs of French cities”.[16] However, the editorial also questioned whether or not such alarm is justified, citing that France’s Muslim ghettos are not hotbeds of separatism and that ”the suburbs are full of people desperate to integrate into the wider society.”[17]
There is a common perception, especially among foreigners and descendants of the recent waves of immigration[18][19][20], that French society has long made a practice of hiding, or at least whitewashing, its numerous signs and symptoms of racism[21][22][23], xenophobia and classism, by all accounts at least equal in intensity to those in other European countries[24]. Racial and social discrimination against people with ”typically” African phenotypes or Arabic and/or African-sounding names has been cited as a major cause of unhappiness in the areas affected. According to the BBC, ”Those who live there say that when they go for a job, as soon as they give their name as ”Mamadou” and say they live in Clichy-sous-Bois, they are immediately told that the vacancy has been taken.” The nonprofit organization SOS Racisme, associated with the French Socialist Party (PS), said that after they sent identical curriculum vitae (CVs) to French companies with European- and African or Muslim-sounding names attached, they found CVs with African or Muslim sounding names were systematically discarded. In addition, they have claimed widespread use of markings indicating ethnicity in employers’ databases and that discrimination is more widespread for those with college degrees than for those without.[25][26]
[edit] Assessment of rioting
Assessments of the extent of violence and damage that occurred during the riots are under way. Figures may be incomplete or inaccurate. Some French media sources, including France 3, have decided not to report the extent of damage to avoid any risk of inflaming the situation.

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: Muslim ’extremists’ attempt uprising in western China: govt

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Muslim ’extremists’ attempt uprising in western China: govt

by Staff Writers
Beijing (AFP) April 2, 2008
China has accused Muslims in the nation’s northwest of trying to start a rebellion, following what an exile group said Wednesday were peaceful protests against injustices under Chinese rule.
The unrest occurred in China’s Muslim-majority Xinjiang region last month, after Chinese authorities warned that ”terrorists” based there were planning attacks on the Beijing Olympics and had tried to bomb a Beijing-bound plane.
In the latest incident, extremist forces tried to incite an uprising in a marketplace in Khotan city on March 23, according to a statement from the local government posted on its website this week.
It did not reveal how many people were involved in the protest, but said up to 100,000 people were in the market when the unrest occurred.
An exiled group representing people in Xinjiang said up to 1,000 people were involved in two protests there on March 23 and 24.
”A small number of elements... tried to incite splittism, create disturbances in the market place and even trick the masses into an uprising,” the Khotan government statement said.
It said the people involved adhered to the ”three evil forces,” a Chinese expression that refers to separatism, religious extremism and terrorism.
”Our police immediately intervened to prevent this and are dealing with it in accordance with the law,” added the statement.
Most of the population in Xinjiang, which borders Afghanistan and central Asia, are Muslim Turkic-speaking Uighurs, many of whom say they have been subjected to 60 years of repressive communist Chinese rule.
Rights groups and Uighur exiles have alleged that China is trying to stoke fears about terror attacks in Xinjiang as an excuse to crack down on dissent and justify tight control there ahead of the Olympics in Beijing in August.
In the Khotan unrest, a Uighur exile group said people took to the streets to protest over a local businessman who died in police custody and against a ban on women wearing traditional head scarves.
”The Uighurs began protesting after the killing of Mutallip Hajim, who had died in police custody,” Alim Seytoff, head of the US-based World Uighur Congress, told AFP.
”The women were also protesting the ban on head scarves.”
The two protests included up to 1,000 demonstrators, he said, adding that as many as 600 had been detained.
Hajim, a wealthy jade trader and philanthropist, was taken into custody in Khotan in January, according to the US government-backed Radio Free Asia.
But his body was turned over to his family on March 3, with police instructing them to bury him immediately and inform no one of his death, it said.
Local police and the religious affairs bureau in Khotan, also known as Hetian, refused to comment on the protests or Hajim’s case when contacted by AFP.
China initially raised the alarm over the alleged threat from Xinjiang on March 9 when it said a January raid on ”terrorists” there had foiled a planned attack directed at the Olympics.
On the same day, it announced a 19-year-old Muslim woman had tried to bomb a Chinese Southern Airlines flight that had taken off from Urumqi, Xinjiang’s capital, and was on its way to Beijing.
The Khotan protests came as China was trying to contain unrest on a much larger scale in neighbouring Tibet, a Buddhist region whose population similarly claim widespread repression under Chinese rule.
China has blamed exiled Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, who won the 1989 Nobel Peace Prize, as being behind the unrest in Tibet, claims he denies.
Nicholas Bequelin, a Hong Kong-based China expert at Human Rights Watch, said it was worrying the Khotan government had publicly responded to the unrest there by immediately blaming ”terrorists and extremist forces.”
”The authorities are not making a distinction between protesters, rioters or the peaceful expression of political opinion, they are mixing this all up and painting it with the same brush,” Bequelin said.

Related Links
China News from SinoDaily.com

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NOW SOME LINKS TO TELL YOU WHAYT’S HAPPENING IN OTHER ASIAN COUNTRIES :

1. PHILIPPINES
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The rise of Islamic. consciousness began with the establishment of the Mindanao ..... of Muslim radicals in the Philippines from Muslim-born Mindanao-based ...
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“Radical Muslim Terrorism” in the Philippines
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o have a better understanding of the so-called rise of radical Muslim terrorism ..... establish a separate Islamic state in the Southern Philippines through ...
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3. ASEAN and Terrorism in Southeast Asia, UCLA International Institute
”The rise of radical Islamic groups is more important than the economic factor.” ... The Arroyo government in the Philippines has mounted the strongest ...
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4. ISLAMIC RADICAL MOVEMENTS IN INDONESIA*
The radicals are shrewd not only in abusing Islamic doctrines for their own ends ... The fall of authoritarian regime and the rise of democracy in Indonesia ...
www.cmm.or.id/cmm-eng_more.php?id=204_0_2_0_C - 46k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

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5 086. TRANSFORMATIONS OF ISLAMIC EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS IN ...
The rise of some Islamic radical groups and the increased terror bombs are serious ... Paper Title : The State and Islamic Education in the Philippines ...
www.icassecretariat.org/index.php?q=086-transformations-islamic-education-institutions-southeast-asia - 21k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

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WHAT’S TAKING PLACE IN NETHERLANDS :

6. The Recent Rise of Islamic Militancy in the Netherlands (Europe)
”Recruitment of mainly non-native Dutch youths for armed radical Islamic holy ... as diverse as Chechnya, Nigeria, Spain, Central Asia and the Philippines. ...
www.emergency.com/2005/netherland_islami.htm - 36k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

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OTHER LINKS :

7.Asia’s Muslim radicals take up beheading - Boston.com
2 Jun 2007 ... ”Beheadings are certainly on the rise outside of the Middle East ... In the mostly Roman Catholic Philippines, at least 37 people have been ...
www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2007/06/02/asias_muslim_radicals_take_up_beheading/ - Similar pages - Note this

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8. Jihad Watch: Philippines government: agreement with Islamic ...
16 Nov 2007 ... Philippines government: agreement with Islamic separatist group on boundaries ..... Radical Islam has made its intentions abundently clear. ...

jihadwatch.org/archives/018817.php - 57k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

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9. A Handbook of Terrorism and Insurgency in Southeast Asia: the ... - Google Books Result
by Andrew Tian Huat Tan - 2007 - Political Science - 491 pages
Brief historical background To have a better understanding of the so-called rise of radical Muslim terrorism in the Philippines and its contemporary ...
books.google.co.in/books?isbn=184542543X

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I hope this satiates your desires for facts.Next time think hundred times before hurling the word ”generalization ” .And yes,let me inform you I only write short pieces and if they smack of ignorance it’s point at your ignorance and not mine.My dear friend it’s not fact but intentions which makes on right or wrong .May be I am living in glass house but that doesn’t mean to shut my eyes from truth like you .I think that’s more than enough for the time beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeing .

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10. Macellarius Est: Top Ten Worst Problems In The Philippines: Number ...
The rise of terrorism in the Philippines is somehow connected to the desire ... Armed Forces of the Philippines and the Muslim Radicals in Mindanao began. ...
macellarius.blogspot.com/2007/08/top-ten-worst-problems-in-philippines.html - 120k -

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ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@ MARCO VILLA

I hope this satiates your desires for facts.Next time think hundred times before hurling the word ”generalization ” .And yes,let me inform you I only write short pieces and if they smack of ignorance it’s point at your ignorance and not mine.My dear friend it’s not fact but intentions which makes on right or wrong .May be I am living in glass house but that doesn’t mean to shut my eyes from truth like you .I think that’s more than enough for the time beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeing .

Yours ,

Arvind K.Pandey

Marco Villa

Marco Villa — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Aw, you think that if you just hurl one insult after another it means something.

Sorry, your writings not withstanding, you’re clearly an anti-Muslim hater no doubt due to your envy of Muslims.

It’s okay, yeah, I heard India is sending an unmanned drone to the moon. There’s something to be proud of...

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@ Marco Villa ,

What happened? You were so eager to have the facts ?I have supplied you the facts.Mind you , no need to lose your temper.I have just brought them in open.I have not manufactured them .Now it’s up to you to either chew them and digest or bang your head with wall in frustration.I know there is no point in entering in debate with U because now the game of exchanging facts is over and after that there exists a little scope for meaningful dialogue other than comments targeted at crushing each other’s persona.

I am in no mood to sabotage your arrogance and ignorance.So I care a damn for your persona-oriented comments flowing out of your premeditated mind.You were thirsty for facts.Facts are there.Remember,once again : I haven’t produced them ,I have just brought them in open on your demand to kill the so-called GENERALIZATION of yours.

And yes , I am happy I am on the moon !!!

Though I feel such projects have to do nothing with the upliftment of common man !!!

Yours ,

Arvind K.Pandey

Marco Villa

Marco Villa — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Aw, there you go again. Engaging in transference. Any reader can tell by your response that you’re the one who is angry and about to bang your head, not me. And, besides, baby, I am a fine combination of Spanish, Arab, and Turkish; I am simply too good looking to want to bang my head.

But, don’t feel bad, I am sure your mother finds you handsome.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@ Marco Villa ,

Back Again With Your Fallacious Interpretation.I am why Happy ,Really Very Happy? Why ? Simply Because I Have Counteracted Well Your LUST For Facts.The WMD Of Yours Called GENERALIZATION Is Now Thing Of Past.Don’t Worry About Me.I Am OK.Just Take Care Of Yours.

Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Coexistence word doesn’t exist in Islam and the answer is NEVER,NEVER, ...NEVER.

Shiv

Shiv — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

sir, let us not generalize

muslim community has not passed any such resolution

if so how do you account for bajrang dal or raj thackre

even if i accept this so what? even hitler could not finish off jews

it takes two to tango

peace & force can never go together we will have to drive a wedge & win over moderates persecution of innocents simply swells the ranks of the hardliners which is what they want

what about the political system, administration

to protect their perks of power they are prepared to sell the country many times over

i wonder why bangladesh border is not sealed doing so will curb the smuggling of man & material a big source of income for vips

i wonder why we can not be firm with bangladesh which has no dirty bomb

vote bank again

so do we know where to point the finger or wave the fist

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dear Shiv,

I have intercepted the essence in your comment.BTW you have not understood the meaning of taking a hard stand.Even I can sense that dialogue is necessary to keep the hardliners at bay.But for how long? Do you know what this tamasha in Kahsmir means for rest of others in India.Loss of not only innocent lives but also loss of soldiers.Can U imagine the plight of families who have lost their members either in form of soldiers or in form of poor laborer whose only fault was that he dared to venture into J&K to ensure livelihood ? What about the huge loss of exchequer’s money which goes in serving the soldiers there?And whom we are having a dialogue with ? Traitors who every now and then threaten to cross border on unwanted pretexts.Aren’t we having dialogue with them ? What has been their response ? Either they stall the meetings or make visits to Pakistan ,returning back with the proposals prepared by Pakistan . I don’t think this NAUTANKI is going to yield any result.

Whether it’s Bangladesh border or Kashmir the only thing which is blocking our way has been the dubious appeasement policies.

Anyway, if you still think wait and watch policy is going to yield substantial results ,I am ready to do so. But in my eyes we are moving towards greater fragmentation if real steps are not taken soon .

Yours ,

Arvind K.Pandey

Sivasubramanian Muthusamy

Sivasubramanian Muthusamy — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Would Hindus ever accept Hinduism in its true sense? If they do, they wouldn’t see any separation between a Hindu and a Muslim or Christian.

Hindu religion is often distorted to be confused with the Hindutva cult, which is an invention that happened in the last 70 years that is gradually debasing this profound Vedic way of life to that of a cult with narrow ideologies.

It may be true that certain aspects of Islamic people and their attitudes need correction, but if people start alienting other religions, harmony is threatened.

Shiv

Shiv — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

i do not care much for religion ,hindutva the basic philosophy is all that matters

if we think that violence is the answer then pl drive away all muslims easier said.. or statrt a nuclear war & go back to stone age

pl show one prosperous nation founded on religious basis ,see our nest door nepal or pakistan

just like there is a difference between home & house love makes the land in to a nation not raj thackery or gorkha land or ltte

saffron champions the cause of hindus .. the sole mouth peace with whose mandate i may ask just as shahi imam has no business issuing fatwas

if there are bravehearts let them go to kashmir or cross loc & fight terror

i am sure the roaring tiger will turn its tail & mew for the rest of the life & seven more

my friend shia sunnies , shaiv & shakt , arab israel have fought for centuries without any result except unnecessary blood shed in contrast shakarachrya brouht peace without lifting a finger so we have to win over moderates by love & isolate hardliner a lion can never eat grass but can be confined to forest or terminated if turns man eater

yes i do not support appeasment ,mixing politics & religion is a deadly concoction & will surely burn the hand which is originating the same

a parting shot did lord ram gave a mandate to bjp to demolish babri

quote one line from any authentic hindu scripture supporting this & i will be your slave for life

16% muslims were not imported in india the conversion may have taken place by force or choice but is incidental

before british came the two lived happily

except for brief periods of auranjeb

in the moghal rule hindus were neither persecuted nor annihilated

no brave man kills innocents in riots or blasts

both of them together fought the british, both were there in ina founded by netaji

by demolishing babri we have brought shame on us as we have become barberians

please do not let humans become an object of political football

we have lots of problems in our hand please let us not score a self goal

sorry for my hard hitting response very unlike on my part

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@ SHIV

My dear friend you are pretty confused .Don’t stray away from the main point of the debate.Please don’t view everything under the lens of Hindu-Muslim equations.I am only trying to suggest that trouble-makers whether Hindu or Muslims shoulld be given a fitting reply.That’s all.

Arun Kumar

Arun Kumar — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Mr. Writer,

Please confirm whether you are talking about Hinduism or Hindu religion. Hinduism, as far as I know has prevailed ever since the begining of mankind is the best way to live by sharing your things, helping others and many other moral things that come out automatically when you see a person in distress.

Muslims too are part of Hinduism. They cannot be seperated from it. They or you can give it another name to it but the essence is humanity as far as Hinduism is concerned.

If you are talking about the religion: HINDU, then my answer is positive. Yes they will and they do. Similarly, there are Hindus who respect Muslim identities. However, this may take some time before it is acheived totally as there are many people nurturing prejeduce which is nothing but false ego. As long as these people spread false propoganda, there will be rifts. But history has proven it that there were times when both religions merged to save the needy.

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Shiv

Shiv — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

sir, the state with electoral compulsions is not doing enough else like us repeated attacks would not have taken place

but i know one thing from the winter of despair spring of hope merges

i am sure in the end good will prevail over bad this has happened from eternity & will happen again ’how let future unfold

no point outguessing god

we are both audience & actors not director

Rickie

Rickie — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Shiv wake up. Most of the conversions that happend during the mugal rule were done by force. The churay of india (once who pick up litter and clean toilets) were the hindus who didn’t want to convert to islam they were told either they will be killed or would have to pick up droppings of humans if they didn’t convert to islam. And many hindus choose to pick up shit rather than convert. These are true hindus.

Mugals used to pick up any hindu daughter they pleased. They used to put an X outside a good looking girls house and then a letter would be delivered to that hindu house to deliver teh daughter or the muslims would come and pick up their daughter in broad day light and that hindu houses other daughters wouldn’t be able to get married.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@ Rickie

I hope you have taken a look at this article :

http://indowaves.instablogs.com/entry/the-magnitude-of-muslim-atrocities/

Anyway, a perfect revelation.

Yours ,

Arvind K.Pandey

Rickie

Rickie — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

And why would muslims (mugals) not do this. It was condoned by their leader muhammad himself.

Chapter 22: AL AZL (INCOMPLETE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE): COITUS INTERRUPTUS

Book 008, Number 3371: Hadith taken from one of the most respected muslim resource

al-’azl= pulling out and not letting semen in the female.

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Messenger (muhammad) mentioning al-’azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with the Messenger on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ’azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas the Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

Muhammad didn’t care if his fighters were having sex with women that they jsut captured cause the women werne’t muslim and all non-muslim women can be treated as such.

Rickie

Rickie — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Arvind Bhai,

Thank you soo much for that article link. You are a very well spoken individual. You are very coherent in your comments and you show facts all the time. Dont be bothered by Macro villa he is just someone God has placed ’righteous blindness’ upon. He sees the facts; he is shown that you know more about his religion and what its doing to the world and you have shown it with facts and news from around the world. But still he chooses to say you dont know what you are talking about.

Macro villa read your own text and you will find; God loves the righteous; 95% of muslims agree that the islam being taught today is no where close to true islam yet they still try to preach that what islam is doing today is not bad. These muslims have moved away from God’s way because, God loves the people who stand by the truth and what is right. Just because you are a muslim and are surrounded by muslims doesn’t mean that you take the atrocities of other muslims and try to make them seem ’righteous’; in doing so you are commiting a grave sin and you shall be punished for that regardless. Islam has been hijacked by the religious clerks who have twisted islam; they have even changed the hadits and the quran itself; quran was meant to be ’recitation’ (quarn means recitation). If the quran was meant to be on paper explain this why would muhammad not let it be written on paper. Muslims till this date (supposedly) have letters that were written by/on muhammads behalf so, why didn’t muhammad get the quran written on paper. It was after muhammads death that a few ppl got together and they said that ppl who have memorized paras of the quran (different ppl memorized different parts of the quran) are dying on the battle field and quran is being lost. Then the high authorities of islam said even though muhammad never let this happen we shall do it and put quran on paper in a book form. When the quran was put in the book form there were many fights as to how the quran should be written there were about 8 versions of the quran which are stil present till this day. There were several battles and blood shed to try and get one or the other form of quran to stick as general version. Hence these writters of quran got the quran changed to what they wanted and the hadiths as well.

If the above said is not true then i am left with no choice but to ask the mental stability and fitness of muhammad because of verified (90,000 different versions of the hadith) hadiths like these.

Aisha(youngest of muhammads wives) reports that muhammad asked a woman to let a grown man(salim) with beard on his face to suck on her breast so that, that man in question then becomes a foster son; and because of that the the woman doesn’t have to entirely cover up in front of that man.

Book 008, Number 3424:

’ A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be eupon him) and said: Messengerof Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man ’Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn ’Umar (the words are): Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed.

ARVIND K.PANDEY

ARVIND K.PANDEY — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dear Rickie ,

Thanks for your compliment and hats off to U for daring to be my side in such a heated debate.I am often left alone in such heated debates !!! Your kind gesture shall prove to be oxygen for my fighting spirit, for my analytical abilities.I expect you to be my side in future as well in form of encouraging remarks.

Now let me come back to the main theme. Marco Villa has not been able to anticipate the fact that I and other non-Muslims are no enemies of Muslim community.Anyway ,the observations of Villa are now things of past.

I hope Rickie you don’t repeat the mistake committed by Villa who unashamedly portrays me as someone who hates Muslims.

I have to do nothing with the Muslim world or Muslim perceptions but if these perceptions turns into medium for breeding hatred for other communities then don’t expect others to be mute spectators.If people having soft-corner for Muslims,and to some extent even for the wrong elements in Muslim community which are sadly increasing with each passing day across the globe,are finding the observations of other non-Muslims too harsh then what has prevented leading Muslim thinkers to frame a strategy that deals strictly with the mischief makers ?Why are they covertly supporting the wrong- doers in many nation?

Probably,this is why feel that it’s better that reforms get introduced by the Muslim preachers instead of being started out by a non-Muslim.It’s very difficult for them to treat a non-Muslim as their torch bearer and even going by the laws of practicality someone from their community can alone show them the right way.The sooner it happens,the better for everyone.We( likes of me - the kafirs )run the risk of being misunderstood.So let Muslim preachers come forward and take all steps to resurrect the falling citadels of Islam .

Yours ,

Arvind K.Pandey